Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Nintendo Vs. Sega: Shifting Gears
Greeting readers, I know it has been a good long while since I made a post, but the summer is my busiest time at work and I just did not have the time or energy to do an update. A failure on my part most definitely. I want to right this wrong by giving you this brief update.
Just because I haven't been posting doesn't mean I have been collecting. If you look at the numbers columns and my top wants you will see that some interesting things have happened. I added Sega Pico, and I have completed that set. I completed Dreamcast, and Saturn has been done for awhile. With the Genesis I am a mere 20 something games away from the complete set. I have held off on finishing Genesis for a few reason, cost being the main reason, cost is misleading actually, it is the cost of shipping. The games I need to finish off Genesis are roughly between 5 and 10 dollars each. The problem is that I have purchase these games from individual resellers it has been very difficult for me to find anyone selling more than one game I need. Buying $5 Genesis games and paying $5 shipping for each game just doesn't make much sense. I am not worried the value of the remaining games I need will spike so I have just been picking them up here and there. Another reason I have procrastinated on this front is, because once I finish Genesis I am done with all Sega Consoles and that is super sad. I have been asked about Game Gear and my answer to that is probably not, I just don't have much love for portable systems. I have about 80 Game Gear games and I am fine with that, I have the ones I want, maybe in the future or maybe it is something I will do very slowly.
Since I am just about done with Sega that prompts the very natural question, What Next? One of the major reasons I love collecting Sega is because of the learning that takes place, it is unlike Nintendo,in the fact that it still has secrets and unknowns, it hasn't been picked apart by thousands of people scutinizing every facet. Just because I am essential done with Sega does not mean suddenly I wont be picking up any new Sega items. I am still looking for new Cardboard boxes and Sega Variants, and I still have lots of stuff to discuss about that I learned while completing the US Sega Library. I also want to put out a few complete set videos and some write ups for Pico, Saturn, and Dreamcast. To answer the whats is next question, Nintendo, with a sprinkle of Xbox.
Nintendo Vs. Sega Vs. Xbox
With Sega I wanted to experience a system I didn't have as a child and learn why the world loved Sega even if it was under appreciated in America. With Sega I wanted to complete every set I could, the time was right and so was the price. Nintendo is a different animal all together. The love that people have for Nintendo is fierce and overwhelming, if for no other reason the sheer number of people who love it, collect it, and are vocal about it. This love is also shown in the cost of the games, if you haven't noticed the cost for rare and uncommon games is very high. I loved Nintendo as a child, I owned a NES when I was 5, I purchased a SNES with my own money the day it came out. The N64 came out right as I became an adult and had started dabbling with Playstation. I had a subscription to Nintendo Power from issue one, and I credit that magazine for helping me become a life long reader. The point being, is I have a lot of Nintendo knowledge and history so I won't be able to write the same way about Nintendo as I did about Sega, I have too many notions, biases, and inclinations that were deeply rooted in me during my developmental years. With Sega I can be completely honest and objective when I write or speak to people who want to discuss it. I have a lot of love for Sega but very little nostalgia, so my judgment isn't clouded when I am asked to speak about it. My focus for Nintendo is going back and purchasing the things I love not necessarily complete sets. I plan on highlighting some publishers and retreading some areas that have already been explored. A lot of what I collect for Nintendo is RPGs so I will have to highlight those at some point, but my first focus is going to be on the N64 the Nintendo System I know the least about. My current focus is getting an accurate list for the Player's Choice Titles, the data out their is woefully bad, but that is still in the works and article for another day. The Xbox I don't have clear direction yet, but the idea of buying for a system that you can still find easily in the wild is appealing , and the fact that I only know this system through the eyes of an adult is compelling.
Okay so this post wasn't as brief as I had hoped, but alas earwax. When I started this blog I wanted it to be universal, talking about collecting in a way that didn't sound like some random fanboy shouting his opinions. I am an inclusive gamer that loves great games regardless of the system it was published on. I hope the shifting of gears on GameOver doesn't turn away any of you who liked the Sega-centric view this blog had. I hope to get some more updates out soon and maybe finally show a room of doom video so you can see many systems and games I have collected over the years.
As Always, Thank You for Reading.
~Johnny~
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Friday, June 15, 2012
Renovation Games for the Sega CD & Genesis: A Complete Set Video
You can see that article here.
Sunday, June 10, 2012
How To Complete Sets for Retro Video Games: Sega Nintendo Playstation
Things to look for:

these goals allow you to be able to track your progress and see the things you have accomplished. Completing sets can be a long journey and it should be rewarding, building a library subset by subset allows you to stay focused or even taking breaks without loosing your place. For the Sega Genesis , I just completed a Black Grid Games set as well as the Renovation Games Set, getting those out of the way gave me a nice boost to get through the last 100 or so Genesis games I need.
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Genesis Cardboard Boxes: A Complete Set?
Part 2 of the Sega Genesis Cardboard Box Complete Collection Video
(Before I go Further I would like to thank SegeAge.Com and a several of its members especially Brad aka WRK. Without them and their efforts this post would not be possible - Thank You)
So after over a year of research, which involved countless Google searches, forum discussions, and more eBay trolling than is healthy I can now say that I have a complete set of Cardboard Box Genesis Titles. I believe I am the first person to accomplish this feat, not because I am amazing but because I had help and I was very dedicated. Another huge factor was that I wasn't really competing against anyone to do this. It is not often in Retro Game Collecting you get to break new ground, so this list is very exciting to me on that level. I think this is an amazing achievement, but before we start jumping up and down and hugging let me tell you I can say that with about 90% certainty that others will be found. When I first started writing this post back in October it started with the same opening sentence and then went on to give the total number of games that came in Cardboard Boxes. The number when I first started this post was 183, and before I could finish my first paragraph I was alerted to a game not on my list and the total jumped to 184. The timing was a bit too perfect, so for the sake of being thorough I decided to wait a little longer before finishing this post. Waiting would allow me to see if I could find any others I had missed, even though I had already put months of research into the topic. Turns out I missed quite a bit. By December the total had climbed to 190 by Feb it had jumped to 199 and in March I realized I had omitted one title that had been on earlier list and that brought the grand total to a round 200.
So 200 is the Final Number? Right?
Well that's a tough question, I think it is important to discuss how this number was achieved and what games it counts. Here is a link to the Master List I use. Now that you have access to the list, and if you are looking, you will see that it is full of variants/duplicates and some games that are debatable. I will discuss those at length, I will also discuss how my Google doc is arranged, why some games made it onto the list and why others did not. I will also explain just how likely it is that other games will be added to this list.
From here on out I will assume everyone is looking at the list.
Why are some games not on the list?
Some of you might think you know of a game or heard of a game that came in Cardboard (CB) that is not currently on the list, you might be curious why it hasn't been mentioned or how it was missed. Let me say this, I would love any info you have. If you email me or leave a comment about a game that isn't on the list I will gladly give you the credit for it's find, but I require proof. What kind of Proof? Let me respond in a way that is customary to the Internet.
Variants and Duplicates
On the list you will see many games that appear to be duplicates but really they are variants. In fact if you look at the very first game on the list 6-Pack you will see it is listed twice once with an (f) at the end and the other with an (s) at the end. The letters in parentheses indicate the box type, F being Flip Top and S meaning Slide Box. These Box types were discussed in my previous post which you can see here. If you are using my list for your collecting purposes please adapt it however you want. Just because I point out that 6-Pack has two versions in CB doesn't you need to have both to complete your set. I show all the variants I have found to give everyone the most accurate data available. I personally have collected all the variants listed but that's just me.
Debatable Games
The Big one I know people like to argue about is Outback Joey, but I have had questions about Miracle Piano, The Carmen Sandiego Games,Maximum Carnage QVC, The Accolade titles, Wisdom Tree Games, and even Wacky Worlds. To those who say these don't belong on the list please know I am not here to argue with you. I have mentioned before that I don't mind if you take my list copy it and edit it to suit your purposes. Now with that in mind please understand this list suits my purpose. That purpose so we are clear is information. I try to put out as much info as I can, take what you want and leave the rest. For the specific titles above let me offer you my reasoning.
Outback Joey: Some people will say OJ is not a Genesis title, even though it runs on a Genesis, comes in a Genesis cart, was released during the Genesis life cycle and says Sega on the Box and Cart. I am not sure how it is described in the literature that comes with it but I will check. They also argue that under my logic any Not For Resale game that came packed in with a system should be included, because the game was essential packed in a big Cardboard box. I see their point, but OJ was only found with the fitness system so I feel hard pressed not to include it. For me and mind you I am biased, OJ is a Genesis title and should get the respect it deserves.
Some people argue that Miracle Piano and OJ shouldn't be on the list not because they aren't Genesis games but because they didn't come cart only, they are packed into accessories. These people believe that Cardboard Box games should be games that had a box dedicated to the game only, the carts for Miracle Piano and OJ are more like accessories to accessories. This is the rational I have heard, I disagree but for arguments sake I present it to you.
Big Box Games: Games like the Carmen Sandiego titles, Mario Lemieux with Puck, and QVC Max Carnage are probably the most questionable games on the list. These games actually have plastic clam-shell cases that are packed into a bigger outer cardboard box. I would find it totally reasonable to leave them off your list.
Accolade and Wisdom Tree Games: The debate about these games come not from the box, they are very clearly Cardboard but from the lack of the official Sega Seal. I think people are really splitting hairs on these games, call them unlicensed if you like but these were released during the life cycle of the Genesis for the play on the Genesis, they have earned there place. Some people say "what about Pier Solar? why is that excluded it's the same thing as any Wisdom Tree Game. A few things, one it is way better than any Wisdom Tree game or Accolade game for that matter ( I like RPGs). Two and here is my real reason, Pier Solar was not released during the life cycle of the system. I have been consistent with this personal rule on every system I collect for. Double check my Sega CD List and Complete Sega CD Collection Video if you doubt it. Pier Solar is wonderful and you should buy (buy it here) it if you like RPGs, but it is not going on my list.
How is the Google Doc Arranged?
The arrangement for the Google Doc is easy enough to understand. The first tab has an intro to the list, Contributors, and Key that explains box types. It also has has under those first few blocks a revision block. This space lists all revisions and recent editions made to the list. Under these blocks we get to the meat of the list. The first column is the Master List, it lists all games in alphabetical order regardless of box type. The Second Major column is games that I believe only came in Cardboard Boxes, and the Third Column lists games that I think also came in plastic clam-shells.
The Second Tab has the games broken down by box types. Some of the info has yet to be updated as this list is always a work in progress. The box type separates all the variants, and but still has all games listed alphabetically. Some of the lists in the second tab contain overlap, for instance, if you look at Bible Adventure you will see it listed as both a Genesis Flip Top and also as an Wisdom Tree game. The Second Tab is mainly for my purposes but I know some of you are just as anal as me and want them all listed separately, so enjoy.
How likely it is that other games will be added to this list?
While I have been diligent and looked high and low across the internet, it saddens me to say that this number will most likely increase. Many games had very limited print runs in Cardboard, Tin Head, Battletoads, and Power Rangers Mega Hit to name a few. It took me a long time just to confirm they existed even though I had been told from multiple sources. It stands to reason that a few titles in limited runs have escaped my rather narrow view of the Sega Landscape. Another problem with keeping this number consistent is the type of variants. Many games have multiple versions: Slide Tray and Flip Tops, see 6- Pack or The Adv of Batman and Robin for examples. It is not always easy to tell in photos which version of a game you are looking at. I have double checked most games to see if I can find multiple versions but my primary source is eBay and the results vary every single day. I won't be shocked to see more of these types of variants pop up, and I have no doubt this will be the most common addition to the list.
Please enjoy the list and I hope you find it useful. Remember every game on the master list has a photo link attached. If you have any question please let me know.
As Always Thank You Reading
~Johnny~
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Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Sega Genesis Cardboard Box Games: The Basics
Enter the Cardboard Box Titles: The Cardboard box titles come in many styles but we can narrow it down to 3 basic types, The Accolade Hard Top (HT), The Flip Top (f), and the most common Slide Out Tray (s).
The Accolade Style Case- These CB's look like old computer game boxes, they have a top and a bottom, with the top lifting off to expose the manual inner tray and cart.
Tray Types
Having just mention the tray of Tecmo Super Bowl 3 I feel like it's a good time to go over some of the Slide Trays you may find inside your Cardboard Box games. Some trays will hold the game sideways, others will hold the games in an up and down fashion. Some of trays have Genesis written at the top of the tray in big white letters, some have it written on the bottom, other have it on the back, and some don't have Genesis written anywhere. Some of the Trays that have Genesis on the top also have Sega printed in the lower right hand corner, but not all of them. On the portion of the tray that holds the game firm the cardboard flaps might be shaped like triangles, while others are squared triangle and others are just rectangle shaped. I have found that College Football's National Championship II can come with a white inner tray, (I have seen it twice) but I have never seen another game to have a white tray. Lastly, as already mentioned, Super Tecmo Bowl 3 has a hang tab that is punched out of the back of it's tray.
What is with all the tray variation and do all games come with specific trays?
The variation in trays might have to do with the game title and I have shown that in a few games, but I think it is more likely that the tray types have to do with when they were produced and where they were produced. Most Cardboard box games were produced in one of three locations, Mexico, Japan, and the USA. The difference in the production quality from these three plants varies to a large degree, sometimes you will notices some labels on your games are very dark or look fake, while on others the text looks blurry or bolded on the title and Sega logos. I have noticed the blurry text on many of the Mexico carts. It is safe to assume that these plants all got their production material from separate plants which would explain the differences. It could also do with the production run. A game could have a tray that hold the game up and down in the beginning of its production but by the 3rd or 4th release they may have only had trays that held the game sideways. This is of course all speculation but I feel these could reasonable explain the differences.
Misconceptions about Genesis Cardboard Box Games
1. They all have Black and White Manuals. Nope, while many do have B/W manuals quite a few have color manuals.
2. All CB games are rereleases. Not even close Over 100 games were Cardboard Only.
3. Games only come in one type of Box. No, many CB games have clam shell versions and some even have multiple cardboard types, like say a flip top and a slide box.
5. All Cardboard Box games came late in the Genesis life cycle and typically came in Red Boxes with Genesis in white up the left side. No, but yes several do come just like this; however, companies like EA and Accolade produced Cardboard titles well before the Red Box games were released.
6. Cardboard box games are easily damaged. Yes, actually that is true. Genesis CBs tend to feel thinner than Nintendo boxes and flimsier.
7. Cardboard box games are cheaper. No I feel like the opposite is true. While many people understandable do no like CB Genesis games, the fact that the cardboard is easily lost or discarded makes these games harder to find complete. In years to come I feel the price on these will rise because of the rarity of the boxes and condition will be a huge determinant in the overall cost.
Thank You for reading and I hope you found this post informative. Stay Tuned Next Week for a post a I know a few of you have been waiting for and a video.
~Johnny~
Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Complete Sega Checklists Posted and Numbers Adjusted
Sega Master System
Sega Genesis
Sega 32X and Pico
Sega CD
Sega Saturn
Sega Dreamcast
To have a complete set for me that means one of every game title for each Sega System. Why the distinction? Well lets look at the Sega 6 pack.
and Compilations in general:
This compilation has several great titles in it, and all of them were individually released. This means to complete my set I need one of each of the 6 games listed and The Sega 6 Pack. I feel like most collectors view it the same way I do but I know a few who don't. Now lets consider variants like Raiden Trad for the Genesis. It came with two covers because Big Net decided to rerelease it with more exciting art.
Variants: variants it is the same title, so I wouldn't have to pick up both versions (but I will) for it to count for the complete set. For the Genesis I also excluded the Mega Hit, Video Game Classics, and Sega Classic Series games. While I consider them additional games or subsets at the very least some collectors feel they are just variants. If I find some others that strongly disagree I will reincorporate them. In the alpha tabs on the Genesis list these games are listed.
Not For Resale titles: These are also not counted toward the final number, unless NFR was the only way in which the game was release an example would be Daytona USA NetLink Edition.
I hope this clears up how I got my numbers, also you guys should note that for the Sega Saturn I counted the two games that came with the Netlink modem as individual titles.
These list aren't prefect I am sure of that, so if you see some errors or something I missed feel free to let me know and I hope this helps.
Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Sega Genesis Sticker Mania
Now let me stick it to you.
As I have stated my current collecting goals is to complete the Sega Library, I have been pretty heavily entrenched in Genesis for the last few months; as such, I have found a few stickers on games. I thought I'd share my findings, and ask you guys what stickers you have found?
Okay here is a big one found on the very rare Sonic 2 cart from the cardboard hangtab box, and College Football 2 cardboard with the white insert.
Check out this sticker on the standard edition of Double Dragon, I have one with it and one without.
Oh and how about a variant of that sticker found on other Accolade games but not all the accolade games.I found at least warp speed and summer challenge to have this sticker version. You can see here that the double dragon sticker is not connected to the label art while Warp Speed has the sticker built into the art.
Here is one that will stick with you. Captain America with Pin.
Telling you about this group of games is rather sporting of me. The EA limited Edition First Round Sticker that is on the cover of many of their games is both a variant and a sticker. Only Madden 94 is shown but this sticker appears on all EA sports games from 92-94 so look out for these titles: Tony Larussa Baseball, NHL 94, NBA Showdown 94,Madden 94, PGA Pour Tour 2, NHL Hockey 93, Bulls Vs Blazers, and Team USA Basketball.
Now that I have my thoughts in a row, I figured I'd line up one last one for you. Columns Sega Classic CB. I know this sticker looks similar to the College Football 2 one, but it is not the same, this one has a black circle around the Sega logo
Thank You for reading and Please share your finds.
~Johnny~










